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September 11[edit]

US 400[edit]

Can you please fix the mileage i made on US 400 please (talk) 01:19, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi there! Could you please be more specific about what you would like fixed in the U.S. Route 400 article? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:46, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

GoingBatty Can you please fix the future exits on US 400 i made the other day please i would except that. (talk) 14:34, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

IP editor, you'll have to be even more specific - what problem(s) do you see with the article? (talk) 17:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Out of curiosity, I took a look. And I found a table with a few cells that were clearly shifted out of position. I fixed that; I trust the data I moved to appropriate columns are also in the rows to which they apply. It was largely a matter of correcting a couple of row span arguments. If that's what the IP editor was asking for, you're welcome. Uporządnicki (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List Page: List of 3D printed weapons and parts[edit]

Was looking through some info to see what pages exist on 3d printed gun modification and found this page List of 3D printed weapons and parts. Seems kind of an odd page to maintain on this wiki. Additional set of eyes on it in some wider forum might be helpful to determine if its AfD or is notable enough as a topic, as discussed a while back on the talk page. Shaded0 (talk) 03:59, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I submitted an AfD for it since this seems the proper forum (here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_3D_printed_weapons_and_parts). This above post can be marked resolved. Shaded0 (talk) 05:25, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re Image Finnih in 2017 moderating a Debate at Texas Southern University.jpeg[edit]

The owner has allowed this image to be used but its been flagged for removal. Please advice

Johnjacksonhtx (talk) 04:00, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Johnjacksonhtx: It appears you're referring to commons:File:Finnih in 2017 moderating a debate at Texas Southern University.jpg, which is marked as "a copyright violation because it is copyrighted and not published under a free license." The owner may upload the photo, but you may not do it on the owner's behalf. For more information, see commons:Commons:Licensing and the commons:Commons:Help desk. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:44, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, "Owner has allowed this image" isn't good enough; that still qualifies as fair use (as the image would still be under full copyright), and we do not accept fair-use images of living people. See WP:NFCC. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 04:51, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you @GoingBatty for the feedback. The owner tried to donate the image to wikimedia commons but received an error that the image is a duplicate due to previous uploads. Please advice Johnjacksonhtx (talk) 04:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Johnjacksonhtx: You can ask the copyright holder to follow the instructions at commons:Commons:Volunteer Response Team#Licensing images: when do I contact VRT?. CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {CX}) 06:34, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the feedback Johnjacksonhtx (talk) 17:31, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Orange Grove Gauteng[edit]

Good Day, I was born & grew up in Orange Grove. Your Wikipedia article stated that in the 1970s in was know as little Italy due to the fact that some italiand had looked for work and settled in Orange Grove. I would like to go a little further into the history. During World War II there was a prisoner war camp established at Sonderwater where numerous Italian soldiers were held as prisoners of war. I had an uncle who was held captive as a POW in Italy. When the Germans were advancing into Italy he and many others Escaped. He hid in the mountains where some Italians fed him and gave him blakets to keep warm. Those same people had relatives here at Sonderwater a POW's. They comucincated by post and my uncle was lucky enough to send some messages to South Africa. During the weekends these Italian soldiers could have a pass and were let out. These Italian relatives found out through my uncle where my parents lived in Orange Grove. So they delivered messages to my parents saying my uncle was safe. A lot of these same Italian soldiers then returned to South AFrica aafter the war with a quite a few setting up home in Orange Grove as they new the area and liked it from visiting my parents and others.

This is one of the main reasons Orange Grove was known as Little Italy.

Just thought I would let your interesting Wikipedia knew more facts about the area I know like the back of my hand.

Kind Regards, Derrick Searle (talk) 12:02, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

While that is interesting, we can't use what you know due to Wikipedia's verification policy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

E-mail preferences[edit]

I have an e-mail address associated with my account at Is there a way to retain that on but remove it from other Wikimedia projects? And, if the answer is yes, can I do it without going to my preferences on each project (the language barriers are a nightmare)? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:26, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bbb23: Email adresses can only be specified globally across all projects. It is, however, possible to restrict other projects from sending you emails by first turning all email-related preferences off everywhere using Special:GlobalPreferences, and then selectively reenabling the email preferences for specific projects by visiting that project's version of Special:Preferences. (Oh and you can also set a unified language for the system interface and system emails using Special:GlobalPreferences) Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Victor Schmidt: I generally think that the developers design some of these things in a manner that is least helpful. Putting that gripe aside, I tried following your first suggestion and after managing to "ungray" things at GlobalPeferences, I turned off e-mail and clicked on Save. However, when I return it to it, it's as it was before, meaning still on.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bbb23: I can't identify the problem. Could you please confirm for the first step, that in your Special:GlobalPreferences, in the line that says "Allow other users to email me" that the first checkbox is checked, and the second checkbox is unchecked? If it isn't, try changing it and saving prefs. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:23, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Victor Schmidt: I must've done something wrong the first time in GlobalPreferences. Looking at GlobalPreferences and SpecialPreferences now, it looks like everything is the way I want it. Thanks!--Bbb23 (talk) 15:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And it works, at least for other users trying to mail you. You can be mailed here at Special:EmailUser/Bbb23 but when your username is entered at de:Special:EmailUser it says (with English Interface): "This user has chosen not to receive email from other users." A page like de:Special:EmailUser/Bbb23 used to also say this but not since 2018 (phab:T209786). Now it just asks for a username. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:38, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

George F. Baker High School[edit]

(Redacted) (talk) 15:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

1. All this belongs at Talk:George F. Baker High School, not here.
2. All of this requires citations to reliable published sources. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cross namespace page move[edit]

File:Maria_Bregman.jpg Looking for a second opinion, I've never made (iirc) a cross namespace move. The request is to move it to article space, however I feel it should be moved to draft space. My concern is, is it just a simple page move or are there other concerns? - FlightTime (open channel) 19:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pictures don't belong in either article or draft space, but File: space, where it is. However the article content does need moving to a draft: I don't think this can be done by a move, though, but requires a cut and paste. ColinFine (talk) 19:24, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@ColinFine: There is a duplicate file File:Maria Bregman writer.jpg, so C/P the article content to Draft:Maria Bregman and delete File:Maria_Bregman.jpg as {{nowcommons}}? Seems correct, but that's why I'm here :P I now see the draft exists also, so just use the file on Commons for the draft and CSD File:Maria_Bregman.jpg? Do you think the article content on the file page should be overwritten to the draft? Confused.png - FlightTime (open channel) 19:47, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to put inline citations in an infobox[edit]

I'm trying to clean up the cite-web references in the article for the Ahsoka Tano page, where it says George Lucas created the character and then links, but the references do not closed </ref> tags. But when I add them ,suddenly the infobox continuing information disappears. I can produce the source if need be, but I am not sure how to exactly do this.MarvelAge91 (talk) 20:49, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@MarvelAge91: I'm not sure what you tried but the references were missing the ending }} in the citation templates. Fixed in [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:00, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PrimeHunterI did try putting the }} for the templates but it just moved all the info below it to the main body, so I am not sure what I did wrong. I did try to close the </ref> tags. MarvelAge91 (talk) 23:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Interlanguage link on-way only, but only on mobile device[edit]

If, using a mobile device, I go to it:Harriet (film) in Italian language Wikipedia and I press the "other languages" button, it tell me something like "no other languages available".

But if I go to Harriet (film) in English language Wikipedia, I can get the Italian one.

Even stranger: if I use a computer, it works both ways. Meridiana solare (talk) 21:24, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Even (even) stanger: now it works both way using a mobile device too. Meridiana solare (talk) 21:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 12[edit]

Is there guidance on writing a draft for location that's currently a redirect[edit]

I am preparing to write a draft article for a location that is currently a redirect to another article, but is, at least in my view, independently notable. Is there guidance for writing a draft that would require a technical move request to be moved to article space? TartarTorte 01:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @TartarTorte, generally the {{Db-move|page to be moved|reason}} template under WP:G6 is used instead of a technical move request. Hope this helps! Justiyaya 01:40, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks Justiyaya. Sounds like that's an easy enough way to do things. TartarTorte 12:34, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@TartarTorte: I don't think it's any different from writing any other article: gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's notability criteria. If it does, then could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article. If the redirect used to be an article, you can look at the history to see the last version of the article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, TartarTorte - I agree with GoingBatty. To clarify: when you submit your draft for review and a reviewer accepts it, they will sort out what the redirect. ColinFine (talk) 10:07, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Protect Page Request[edit]

To Whom It May Concern,

How can one make a request to protect a page due to vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can find instructions at Requests for Page Protection. Ks0stm (TCGE) 03:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edinburgh West (UK Parliament constituency)[edit]


On the page Edinburgh West (UK Parliament constituency), the name "Scotland" is missing from the map caption. It should read "Boundary of Edinburgh West in Scotland". Thanks. (talk) 06:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done.   Maproom (talk) 07:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Want to add audio on a wikipedia[edit]


I want to add music audio on a wikipedia article. I've seen some articles where there are music audio provided with them along with their photos. However, I don't have any idea how to do that or where to bring and add that audio. Can someone plz help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arorapriyansh333 (talkcontribs) 11:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It depends to some extent on whether the audio is copyrighted. If it is not copyrighted, you can make the clip as long as you like and upload it to Wikimedia Commons. If it is copyrighted (eg a clip from a pop song), it must have a fair use rationale and be kept to 30 seconds or less, otherwise it will get deleted. Audio clips uploaded to Wikipedia should usually be in Ogg Vorbis format, although FLAC and WAV will work. See Help:Creation_and_usage_of_media_files#Audio for more detail.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I have legally changed my name and would like to put new name and old name so both show Doublebara13 (talk) 15:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Doublebara13. I guess that this is about Barbara Kalik, where you made a change, and Theroadislong reverted it because it was unsourced.
First, please understand that Wikipedia requires published sources for all information, especially about living people. We have no way of knowing whether you are Barbara Kalik, or a random vandal. We need a published source for the name change in order for the article to reflect it.
Secondly, assuming you are Barbara Kalik, please be aware of our policies on editing with a conflict of interest. You should not edit that article directly, but instead should make edit requests (see that link for details) on the article's talk page. ColinFine (talk) 15:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unpublished first article[edit]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Strange Pill

Hi there,

Please could you guide me? I wrote my first contribution over eight months ago, "Strange Pill", I'm not sure why it hasn't been published. Please could you tell me if there are any problems? Are there any changes that need to be made? I'm sure it's not perfect but I think these guys are doing amazing things and believe they should be listed. There are no articles about them in the New York Times but they have been working with organisations like the New York Philharmonic, exhibited in international festival and have recently been given an award by the New BBC Radiophonic Workshop which I would understand gives them relevance.

Looking forward to hearing back.

Many thanks and best regards, ~~~~ Thebluetree (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You have not submitted it for review, I have added the template to enable you to do this. Theroadislong (talk) 15:30, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But I predict that if you do submit it in its present form, it will not be accepted. Unfortunately, you have done what many many new Wikipedia editors do, and plunge into the very difficult task of creating a new article before you have acquired enough experience to understand what is required.
On a quick scan, most of your citations are to their performances, or to venues or events where they performed. Not one of these contributes to establishing that they meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and it ends up looking as if you're hoping that dozens of zeros added together will add up to something. I'm not meaning to disparage them - they may be doing wonderful work. But Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:40, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia App Display Page Format[edit]

How do I turn off the “Table of Contents” on the left side when I am reading an article? It takes up too much real estate.

I am a “user” of Wikipedia. I wish there was a positive way to have another word than “user”. “User” feels somewhat demeaning.

Arielspryte (talk) 20:12, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't see a table of contents in the Android app, unless I pick "Contents" from the bottom right. What app are you using? Are you looking at the desktop version? ColinFine (talk) 20:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I use the Apple IOS app ‘Wikipedia’
iPad 6th generation,
Software version 15.6.1 Arielspryte (talk) 20:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for your comments.
I found the
at the bottom left in Apple app. I had tapped that several times earlier and it did not seem to work. Must have been ‘something’ unknowable in computer land.
Thank for your quick and courteous response. Arielspryte (talk) 20:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Arielspryte, if you'd prefer a different term, there's always "reader" (for non-editors) and "editor" (for, well, editors - which is a group you technically now belong to, courtesy of this help desk post!). (talk) 21:00, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

e-mail address changed on old account[edit]

I created a Wikipedia account 10 years ago and made a few edits at that time. I forgot my password and requested a reset, but I didn't receive a password reset e-mail. I believe I changed my e-mail address shortly after creating this account. Is there anyway I can rejoin the community with my original user name? Virtual Dynamo 2605:A601:AE18:4F00:825:70D4:C3FB:C5E4 (talk) 22:26, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello. This would only be possible if you can regain access to the old email account. If not, you can create a new account with a similar username, and note the connection on your new userpage. You only made three edits ten years ago with the previous account. Cullen328 (talk) 22:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But but virtualdynamo is considered too similar to Virtual Dynamo. 2605:A601:AE18:4F00:D85A:D136:5706:6173 (talk) 15:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would advise to create a different account (for instance, "Virtual Dynamo 2" should be accepted by the software), edit a bit, and later you can ask at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations to "usurp" the old name. (Not really an "usurpation" if you’re usurping yourself, but hey, that’s the process - we have no way to know that you are the real Virtual Dynamo.) If you ask now, someone will point you to the third note (we prefer only to grant requests from reasonably well-established users.). TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 17:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

college programs as a partner.[edit]

Good afternoon,

I am from Elite Royal International Career College and I am looking to establish a public college-private partnership with Sheridan College. ERICC is a private career college that has received its DLI number and is trying to expand its operations by delivering college programs as a partner. Could you direct us towards/send us the application to become a partner with Sheridan College?

Best regards, ERICC

2901 Markham Road Unit 2, Scarborough ON. M1X 0B7 (redacted) (talk) 22:51, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is not a general help desk, this is for asking questions related to Wikipedia. I would suggest that you contact that institution directly. 331dot (talk) 22:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@331dot Should that phone number (I assume) be redacted? (talk) 07:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Courtesy link for those interested: Sheridan College. (Unless the querent meant Sheridan College (Wyoming), but this seems less likely.)
In passing, I see no explanation given in its article for the name of this college. Perhaps someone can find a Reliable source and add it? {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 04:29, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 13[edit]

How is the main page ("Main Page") *NOT* displaying its title ("Main Page") like other pages do?[edit]

The main page is named "Main Page". Most pages automatically display their title as an H1 near the top, but Main Page does not (at least not in the skin I'm using, which is apparently MonoBook). How is this being accomplished?

I thought maybe it was using a template, magic word, or custom CSS to do this, but I've tried and failed to find such a thing in use: I found that Template:DISPLAYTITLE exists, but I don't see it being used in the source of Main Page. Nor do I see any of the page name-related magic words used there. And I found that Main Page uses Wikipedia:Main Page/styles.css, but I don't see anything in that CSS to suppress display of the title.

To be clear, I know that it does say "main page" as the name of one of its top tabs (in the spot where a "normal" article would have an "article" tab). I don't see how that's happening either, but in any case it's not what I'm talking about: I'm talking about the thing that on a "normal" article would be an H1 displayed under the tab row, and above the "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" line.

Thanks in advance. -Rwv37 (talk) 06:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Rwv37: Afaik, the title of the main page can be set by editing the MediaWiki:Mainpage-title special page on a given wiki running the MediaWiki software. For Wikipedia, the special page is purposefully left empty to not show a title. Regards SoWhy 08:24, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Rwv37: Yes, see Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#How do you remove the title of the Main Page? This method is a new feature from 2022. Previously it was done with code in MediaWiki:Vector.css, removed here. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:59, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sports in Temuco[edit]

Hello, the categories Sports venues in Temuco, Sports in Temuco, which I created, was marked for deletion because it was empties. But I just added articles or subcategories to it, so please kindly remove the delete template. Thanks in advance. Soy Juampayo (talk) 07:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Already done by someone else. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Source clean up?[edit]

Hi, I remember a couple of months ago I was using this tool where you could go through pages that had {{citation needed}} tags and you could fill them in. It also had other options such as selecting a specific WikiProject such as Medicine. I'm not too sure where to find this tool again, and if someone could point me in the right direction that'd be swell. I thought it was quite fun, if I'm going to be honest. Kinda like random page but actually productive. Chur X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 12:42, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply] * Pppery * it has begun... 14:08, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you Pppery, exactly what I was looking for X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 20:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New Category[edit]

I suggest to create a new category in English in order to include the subjects of the German category I do not know exactly to do that. Thank you! Alexander Tendler (talk) 14:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Alexander. There is already Category:Nazi Party politicians. Is there a need for something else (particularly given that many of the articles in de:Kategorie:Träger des Goldenen Parteiabzeichens der NSDAP do not currently have corresponding English articles). ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Alexander Tendler: Category:Recipients of the Golden Party Badge was deleted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 January 5#Category:Recipients of the Golden Party Badge and again at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 26#Category:Recipients of the Golden Party Badge. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! The fact that this category exists in several other languages proves the necessity of a version in English. In any case, it is not my cup of tea. Alexander Tendler (talk) 19:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Alexander Tendler: Wikipedia languages are edited independently and decide their own rules. Maybe the other languages have other requirements for categories. The original nomination said "Per WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)". Maybe they have no specific rules. The English Wikipedia is larger and has more rules and processes. Maybe they do fail local rules or practice but haven't been subject to a disscussion. None of it matters here. Content in the English Wikipedia is not determined by other languages and there is no "necessity" to do something just because some other languages do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. However, it may be useful to have also in English categories parallel to other languages. In any case, I accept the previous decision of the community and have nothing to add. Alexander Tendler (talk) 07:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Youtube as a source[edit]

Can a youtube video be used as a source to prove something exists? See this diff, the youtube video that directly proves it is here. I understand that youtube videos are not considered reliable sources in general, but for this particular case, would it be a reliable source? Rob3512 (Talk) 16:18, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If the only evidence that 'something exists' can be found in a YouTube video primary source, why is it relevant to discuss this in an article? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:34, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In my view, existence is irrelevant, and so demonstrating it is irrelevant. Lots of non-existent things have been extensively written about, eg Unicorns, and so Wikipedia has articles on them. If this appearance has not been independently written about, it does not belong in the article. ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The source is definitely reliable per WP:PLOTCITE (= anything that can be readily seen or read in a work of art/entertainment, without margin for interpretation, can be sourced to the primary source). However, as ColinFine said, you would need to demonstrate that this stuff is not WP:TRIVIA. I believe it falls under MOS:POPCULT, which says that it should at a minimum be discussed by at least one independent source to be included (but local consensus can demand more). TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 17:12, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thanks to all, I'll have the edit marked appropriately. Rob3512 (Talk) 20:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wrote a (short) essay on why this is usually a bad idea: WP:EDWS. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My page called: God's Closet[edit]


I'm not sure you can help me but I found no other place to ask my question so I'm sending it here. I paid a website to help me get a page about a ministry that I founded posted on Wikipedia. The page on Wikipedia that I am trying to get listed will be called: God's Closet.

I paid the website that I found online the money they asked for to help people list their page, they did assisted me with creating the content, I provided the pictures and the detailed links. They said that they worked along with you, --I don't understand how to get the page on Wikipedia so that is why I paid for their assistance and to help me to go through the process of getting my page (God's Closet) on Wikipedia. Their website is called I have waited for a while now for the page to be listed on Wikipedia. I've called wikisysops and no one answers. They have now had 3 people working with me, first it was Jane then she disappeared, I've sent messages with no reply. They say they will check with Wikipedia and get back to me, but they don't. I am now very concerned if this was a legitimate transaction and/or if wisksysops is genuine or if I got taken for my money and it was a scam.

I'm reaching out to you to find out if you could please kindly help. I'd like to know if the page's information was at all submitted to you by If I am contacting the wrong area of Wikipedia to ask this question and ask for assistance would you please give me details on the correct place where I could go and ask this question to get some answers. I am very worried.

I thank you for your assistance,


Merryl Moore (talk) 18:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm sorry, but you are the victim of an unethical organization. We cannot help you, because Wikipedia has no relationship with this organization. We do our best to dissuade people from using organizations like this. You were scammed. -Arch dude (talk) 18:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning. -Arch dude (talk) 18:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed; you fell for a scam which preys on people who both fundamentally misunderstand Wikipedia's purpose and desperately want an article for whatever reason. (As a general rule, it's highly unlikely any organisation that has just been founded will have enough third-party sources to warrant an article.) I'd in fact wager that this website doesn't have anyone actually editing Wikipedia (or if they do, the lot of them are blocked). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 19:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • "I paid a website to help me get a page about a ministry that I founded posted on Wikipedia." - That is almost always a mistake.
  • "I paid the website that I found online the money they asked for" - That money is gone.
  • "I don't understand how to get the page on Wikipedia" - Unfortunately, if you are trying to get a page about yourself or your organization on Wikipedia, you've already made a mistake.
  • "Their website is called" - Thank you. That information will help us in the never ending fight against abusive editing practices. When I looked at their website they provided Kendare Blake as an example of what they claim is "30,000+ profiles" they created (this number is doubtful). People visiting that page now will be greeted with a banner informing them that "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use." Hopefully that will help dissuade some future "customers" of theirs from falling into their trap.
  • "I have waited for a while now for the page to be listed on Wikipedia. I've called wikisysops and no one answers." - Because they have your money.
  • "They say they will check with Wikipedia and get back to me" - There is no one for them to check with, and they won't get back with you.
  • "I am now very concerned if this was a legitimate transaction" - it wasn't. "or if I got taken for my money and it was a scam." - You have been scammed. You are not the first, and you won't be the last.
  • "I'd like to know if the page's information was at all submitted to you by" - You have come to the right place. I can tell you that Draft:God's Closet has never existed, nor has God's Closet. There is no deletion log indicating they have ever been deleted. I do not believe a draft was ever submitted.
  • Wikipedia is not intended to be an advertising platform. The thousands of volunteers who have dedicated hours of their free time to building this resource get annoyed at people trying to use it as such. They get annoyed at scammers exploiting the success of their efforts.
  • In order for an article about something to continue exist, the article needs to demonstrate that the topic meets a requirement that we call Notability. The key to notability is "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." In most cases, if a topic reaches the level of notability we are looking for, eventually a volunteer editor will take interest and write an article without having to be asked.
  • I did a quick Google search, and so far as I can tell, there appear to be several things with that name, and none of them appear to reach the threshold of notability required at this time. Now, I could be wrong, I didn't do a through search, but odds are that no article can be created that would survive an deletion discussion at this time.
  • I suggest you use this as a learning experience. Stop trying to get God's Closet on Wikipedia. Do not give money to scammers that could be put to better use doing the work of your ministry. Let your ministry produce good fruit, and by your fruit you will be known.
~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
IP editor, ths blue words in ths replies here are clickable links which will give you much more information. (talk) 02:17, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would like to comment on the name Sysop is outdated slang for an administrator on Wikipedia. I am one of about 480 active administrators on the English Wikipedia, and I can assure you that any administrator who worked for such a sleazy organization would have their administrator rights removed in short order. We are forbidden to use our administrative tools for money. Their claim of having created 30,000 "profiles" is ludicrous. These people are liars and con artists. Sorry that you got scammed. Cullen328 (talk) 05:26, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alt account[edit]

This is an alt account/sockpuppet of User:Dahme002 who was blocked a year and a half ago. The Tips of Apmh 21:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is this a confession, or did you forget to post the name of the account you're talking about? (talk) 22:01, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm going to assume they forgot to actually link the account they are referring to. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
... maybe. Funny, though - I notice that if you "skew" the message here to the left, using the method The Tips of Apmh discussed on their talk page, you get "You can't stop me. I will simply create a new account." (talk) 22:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Meh. If you are indeed Dahme002, then congratulations, you've managed to mature and come back as a constructive editor and nobody noticed until now. Good job. I don't think that blocking this account would prevent harm to the encyclopedia, given that the previous account was blocked for childish vandalism. Go forth and vandalize no more. GeneralNotability (talk) 00:36, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Your Impact"[edit]

Is there a way to generate something like the "Your Impact" on the newcomer page, but on my own user page, with more entries or maybe other configurable parameters? Thanks, Help Desk! — LumonRedacts 22:06, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 14[edit]

Help with Transclusion from a section on New Zealand national football team page to New Zealand national football team records and statistics[edit]

Another user has tried to use transclusion to take the player records from the NZ football team article and have them appear under the Individual records on NZ football statistics article. They didn't complete it correctly and I can't figure out why it isn't working either. They did do a start and end section using "Player records NZL" has the label. Just to note, there is also a template already called New Zealand national football team too that I'm not sure if that is causing issues with this too? But can someone please help fix. — NZFC(talk)(cont) 00:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@NZFC: Fixed by removing <noinclude>.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 08:42, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are brilliant, hadn't seen that. Thanks :@PrimeHunter:. — NZFC(talk)(cont) 10:14, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Assistance on a pornographic actress page[edit]

I had added a source to this page Nadia Ali (actress) claiming she was American which was reverted by TylerBurden. Here's the website [3]. I just want to know if there's any misunderstanding here of reverting my good faith edit. Rejoy2003  09:55, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Rejoy2003: As TB explained in his edit summary the 'source' does not specifically mention citizenship which is a legal 'principle' and not necessarily where resident or upbringing. The article states she is American and of Pakistani origin but her actual citizenship is not clear. Eagleash (talk) 11:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Malin Gustafsson (ice hockey) and Malin Gustafsson[edit]

Is Malin Gustafsson (ice hockey) and Malin Gustafsson the same person? 佛祖西来 (talk) 11:50, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@佛祖西来: It would not appear so. One is an ice hockey player and one is a footballer. There is a hatnote at Malin Gustafsson for clarification. However they do share a date of birth; if you have additional information, please edit as appropriate. Eagleash (talk) 12:28, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The current sources provide too little information to distinguish them. 佛祖西来 (talk) 12:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]