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Fixed double redirects, but...

@Wugapodes and El C: After the move of Portal:Contents (and its subpages) to Wikipedia:Contents (and subpages), several double redirects were causing Wikipedia:Contents/Overviews to be broken (showing transcluded redirect messages rather than the intended content). I have just fixed those double redirects. (There may be other double redirects I have not noticed.)

The reason this was happening was that the pages named "Portal:Contents/Overviews/*" were all moved to "Portal:Contents/Overview/*" back in 2011, following the reasoning that the "overview of health and fitness", for example, should be called "Portal:Contents/Overview/Health and fitness" rather than "Portal:Contents/Overviews/Health and fitness". This ignored the fact that "Portal:Contents/Overviews/Health and fitness" (and the like) was a subpage of "Portal:Contents/Overviews", which was not moved.

I would make a formal proposal to move those "Overview" subpages back to "Wikipedia:Contents/Overviews/*" (which will require moving them over redirects, and will cause other double redirects that will need to be fixed), but I don't have time to write that up right now. Someone else can, though (in a new section). - dcljr (talk) 10:58, 13 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh, and Category:Contents portal should probably be renamed (its subpages recategorized) now that this is not in portalspace anymore. Also, I've changed all the mentions of "Portal:Contents" (in visible page text) that I noticed in the immediate subpages of Wikipedia:Contents. I'm sure there are other instances around that should be changed. - dcljr (talk) 11:06, 13 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dcljr: I've tagged the category for speedy renaming. Following Category:Wikipedia outlines I suggested Category:Wikipedia contents. Wug·a·po·des​ 17:51, 13 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Somehow in the move of Category:Contents portal to Category:Wikipedia contents, the category got almost completely depopulated. I have just readded the topmost subpages (Wikipedia:Contents/Overviews, etc.) to the category. Do we want to place all the deeper-level subpages there, as well (e.g., Wikipedia:Contents/Overview/Reference, etc.)? I think that's how it was before. - dcljr (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, heh… at least some of the pages are still in Category:Contents portal. I saw a bot edit that made me assume that the move was already completed. - dcljr (talk) 02:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, now it's completed. I see that it (for the most part) only contains the immediate subpages of Wikipedia:Contents, including the pages split by type (Wikipedia:Contents/Overviews, Wikipedia:Contents/Outlines, etc.) and those split by topic (Wikipedia:Contents/Reference, Wikipedia:Contents/Culture and the arts, etc.). I guess that's how it was before. There's over 200 deeper subpages. Do we want to categorize those into a subcategory of Category:Wikipedia contents? - dcljr (talk) 04:03, 18 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page has been edited and look incorrect

This looks wrong but the contents may need to be kept in its own article, not sure how to proceed

The Original Filfi (talk) 10:51, 21 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No one can help with this unless you are more specific. I assume you are talking about Wikipedia:Contents, since you copied the entire contents of the page into your personal sandbox before posting here. What about the page seems wrong to you? Can you point to a specific edit that changed something in a way that you don't like? - dcljr (talk) 04:03, 22 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Astoundingly popular among readers, unnoticed by editors

This is a super high traffic page but it does not have much Wikipedia editor development.

I wish we had an easy way to get traffic reports for all the help pages so that we could identify where readers are going, and prioritize the development of those pages. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well… there is {{Annual readership}}:
which can be used on each individual (talk) page, or even used multiple times for different targets on a single page — although I'm not sure how many instances you could put on a page before problems start happening. But it sounds like what you really want is the Massviews Analysis tool at Toolforge. (Note: Don't just point it at Category:Help and use "Include all subcategories", because it will try to pull in tens of thousands of irrelevant pages!) - dcljr (talk) 19:26, 21 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Bluerasberry, yep, this and WP:About are both sorely in need of attention. One task that needs to be done here, following up from the removal of WP:Featured content from the sidebar, is to place a little more emphasis on featured content here. I'd also like to see addition of things like a button to go to a random vital article at a given level. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 05:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We could run Wikipedia:Help Project/page statistics again. Best not use buttons in this manner as per very basic in accessibility Guidelines. Most will avoid buttons because they think an action will take place. --Moxy 🍁 12:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Dcljr and Sdkb: Okay, several issues here:
  1. If anyone were to improve this page, then what should be done
  2. This is one of several high-traffic neglected pages. How can we identify such pages, perhaps with a process for listing high traffic pages?
  3. Suppose we identify high traffic neglected pages. Is a demographic of editors who would prefer to develop high-impact pages if they could find them, and if so, how do we communicate to them?
Massviews is one aspect of the Pageviews suite. There is also "Topviews", which right now presents the top articles in all of Wikipedia. I think what I really want is Topviews for arbitrary categories, like "topviews for each WikiProject" or in this case Topviews for all the Wikipedia help pages. I also would like some interpretation, like to know in a given year what amount of traffic puts an article in the top 1% or 10% of all articles in that category, just to help understand what the numbers mean.
I do not have answers for any of this. I am just puzzling over how it came to be that pages can be super popular and also unnoticed in the editor community.
About accessibility - I made a request for the WMF to build out recommendations. Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#Request_for_accessibility_specifications. I use buttons on some kinds of pages to increase accessibility, but if there were expert guidance to not do so, then I would quit. It is nice that Moxy found the recommendation, but that text is off-wiki and we have no easy to find in-house guidance.
Thanks for the chat and the annual readership template. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This thread seems to be based on the premise that a page that's read a lot but not edited a lot is somehow a problem, indicating that it has "fallen through the cracks". I'm not sure that is necessarily true. What if the page seems to not be "noticed" by the editor community simply because everyone is satisfied with the way it is (well… except for Sdkb ;)? Note that, as I type this, 8,586 users are watching this project page, which seems to me to be a pretty high number. Not all of those will be editors, but I assume a large proportion of them are. - dcljr (talk) 02:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How do I adjust Wikipedia’s clock to local time (NYC as an example or Iowa City)

I’m wanting to change Wikipedia’s clock to my time areas. How is that possible. Can somebody please clarify? Angela Kate Maureen Pears 18:16, 17 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This question should be asked at Wikipedia:Help desk. When you ask it there, you should clarify what you mean by "Wikipedia's clock". - dcljr (talk) 02:44, 18 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Redesigning this page

I think that this page should be redesigned to look more like a table of contents page. This page is more about a table of contents for multiple tables of contents and I would like to see it look more like a list of articles. Pinging Sdkb to see if he/she has some ideas on what we do to improve the page. Other editors are welcome to comment as well. Interstellarity (talk) 19:23, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What you're describing sounds more like Wikipedia:Contents/Overviews. Overall, it's tricky to ascertain who is ending up at the contents page and how they might best be served. People just don't browse Wikipedia via a table of contents; they almost always have a topic in mind and search for it. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 00:09, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sdkb: I have made some changes to the contents page. I have put the vital articles on top since they are Wikipedia's most important articles. What do you think of the design so far? Do you think it could be improved to serve most readers? You said that readers come here for all different reasons and was wondering how we could improve the page. Thanks, Interstellarity (talk) 18:40, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]